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Thanks for sharing this interview, really wonderful thoughts and questions from you both. It's wonderful you have the community and support to have these conversations during your pregnancy. Your line about making parenthood more than just "optimizing offpring for capitalism" really struck me. It's such a freeing thought - for yourself and for your children.

When I had my first daughter, I expected for my motherhooodness to arrive fully matured the moment I gave birth, but that thought made me feel tense because it wasn't true. On the other hand, the thought that "I get to become a mother, I get to figure this out every day," that made me feel like I was on a continual journey with the expectation to learn rather than make everything appear perfect/ideal. Feels so much better when that kind of alignment exists.

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